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murtagh deadmoon · Jul 14, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

But I don't want to see the arenas I like changed on complaints from a few people with an extremely small amount of evidence.

Your saying leavers are a minority, that they are the smarter ones. The fact that they are the minority means simply that we, the people not leaving, are the majority and therefore your outvoted and the arenas need to be changed. You don't want to see them changed on a small amount of evidence, i'm fine with that, we'll let a few A-net people go in there for a day and witness the constant leaving, that should give them enough evidence hm?

MrFuzzles · Jul 14, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by Relambrien

stuff

I really hate quoting long posts like these and only replying with a minor bit myself, but I don't see anything in there explaining why leavers do not go to TA.

Right now, I'm not so much blaming the players (apart from those who leave because I have a non-english name or ranger secondary), but more the game design. The fact that it's advantagous to leave and "reroll" teams is flawed. Right now, RA is basically people who leave until they get in a good team versus people who had a guy leave versus the 'random' teams that stick it out and give it a try anyway. RA will only work as intended only if everyone plays just for some light-hearted fun. With titles, hardly anyone does. Most people think it's pointless unless they get 10 consecutive wins.

And I still don't agree to the "it's random and that includes 4v3s, deal with it" notion. It's leavers who are not accepting that it's random. It's like playing poker and just leaving when your cards are given every time until you get a flush, or rolling dice and only making the sixes "count".

FoxBat · Jul 14, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

And that accomplishes what exactly Fox?

You know 10 wins shunts you to TA right?

glountz · Jul 14, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Dreamwind and Sheendaar and all leavers will come to this defend their right to leave (i.e. to be lazy antisocial jackassess) and destroys other's fun.
As in any scammer thread, there are scammers coming saying that's the fault of their victim not being able to avoid the scam.
Same kind of behavior.
Same kind of punishment needed.

Funk · Jul 14, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Leavers are just acting logic in the system where you need 10 consecutive wins to get a reward. It's not that hard to understand. You don't need all this blahblah about fairness, randomness and how the world would be a better place if everyone would put a flower in his butt, - people are just acting egoistic and that's good, because you can predict how the majority will act.

Think about it: Would the problem exist without gladiatorpoints?

dancing gnome · Jul 14, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Why do people keep telling him to stop posting threads like this? If no-one complained then A Net wouldnt be aware there IS a problem and people ARE annoyed by it. If its a simple case of not wanting to read threads like this the thread was labled VERY clearly, I knew what it was before I opened it so it would be simple to avoid.

I believe there are many simple solutions to leaving in RA and none of them involve playing a monk or another arena. I also believe leaving to find a monk is completely against the spirit of the arena and should be discouraged. Telling someone to not post threads like this is counterproductive, the louder people are the more likely A Net will take notice. 8vs8 vs 6vs6 anyone? Forums have many purposed, in the GW universe one of them is a way of communicating with the people who make our game, so we can tell them what we want.

Back on topic, I don't see why a cooldown timer for leavers is such a hassle, MANY other games have one and it's usually not a big deal. The same with afk kicking. If you leave a match because of a RL emergency I don't think you are going to mind too much that you can't enter again for 1hr, or even 15 mins. These are simple solutions which many people wouldnt like, but many would, same with everything. A Net hasnt even tried any of them so I say we don't need less of these threads, we need more!

zwei2stein · Jul 14, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Funk

Leavers are just acting logic in the system where you need 10 consecutive wins to get a reward. It's not that hard to understand. You don't need all this blahblah about fairness, randomness and how the world would be a better place if everyone would put a flower in his butt, - people are just acting egoistic and that's good, because you can predict how the majority will act.

Think about it: Would the problem exist without gladiatorpoints?

If people acted logic they would to go TA for glad point farming because there they are guaranteed perfect team (whihch is main exsuce of leavers, but what they dont tell you is that they prefer RA for glad point farming because it takes minimal skill unlike TA. You know its true when you get 10 consecs with motivation para).

CassiusDrehyg · Jul 14, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

QQ more.

If there's no monk on my team, I leave.

Simple as.

undeadgun · Jul 14, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

cant expect much of RA, that place is tained-_-

Master Ketsu · Jul 14, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Change glad points to 12-15 point win streak.

That would increase the number of leavers if anything....

Navaros · Jul 14, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Wow this is like the 5th "leaver" thread in the past two weeks, did we really need another?

If they really wanted to fix the "problem" then they should give Glad points for every single win, extend the amount needed for each title. and convert everyone's current Glad points to the new system at like a 50:1 ratio or something like that. If the game rewarded every single RA win with progress on the Glad title then people won't leave so much since as it stands there is no point whatsoever to RA other than getting Glad points and there is zero chance to get one with a bad team mix or with horrible players on the team.

However, as thing stand it is unfair to blame the leavers for not wanting to waste their time for no reason with horrible players. Non-leavers/horrible players could always go to TA themselves if they insist on having allies who do not leave. So suggesting that leavers should go to TA yet those who hate leavers so much not taking their own advice, is unequitable.

Malice Black · Jul 14, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg

QQ more.

If there's no monk on my team, I leave.

Simple as.

Then why play RA?

And secondly, if you can't win in RA without a monk you need to practice more.

MrFuzzles · Jul 14, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg

QQ more.

If there's no monk on my team, I leave.

Simple as.

Could someone please answer my question as to why these people don't go to TA and just form their own party? :(

Edit: oops, beaten.

Traveller · Jul 14, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by MrFuzzles

Could someone please answer my question as to why these people don't go to TA and just form their own party?

Edit: oops, beaten.

zwei2stein answered this a few posts ago.

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

If people acted logic they would to go TA for glad point farming because there they are guaranteed perfect team (which is main exsuce of leavers, but what they dont tell you is that they prefer RA for glad point farming because it takes minimal skill unlike TA. You know its true when you get 10 consecs with motivation para).

Because they would actually have to know how to play in TA.

Funk · Jul 14, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Then why play RA?

Because it's much easier to get a gladpoint in RA. Compitition is harder in TA and you need 3 other players you know.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

And secondly, if you can't win in RA without a monk you need to practice more.

You don't understand this, because you obviously don't play the game. Sure you can win 1 or 2 games without a monk. However, if you face another team with a good monk you are screwed and will most likely lose the game, therefore not reaching 10 wins and wasting time in the first place if you don't look for a team with a monk.

Obviously there is a reason, *why* people prefer to play in RA to get their gladpoints and all you moaning "Why don't you go to TA" won't help anything. People do whatever is the most efficient strategie to reach their goals.

makosi · Jul 14, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

At a time like this a problem that requires time and/or resources will not be addressed. It's time to accept that.

payne · Jul 14, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

couple of things

1stly it wouldnt be so bad to sticky this thread just so everyone could vent their rage in the same post without spamming up the whole forum with the exact same posts
2ndly playing monk does not guarentee people don't quit I ran numerously as a monk for a while and still noobs did rage quit for no apparent reason.

monks do not solve the problem of rage quitting noobs only lessons it :P

MrFuzzles · Jul 14, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

That's my point though, it's dodgy game design when that is the most "effective" way of grinding titles. It makes title farmers cause an annoyance to us who are there just for fun.

Believe it or not, some of us actually play RA for a quick no-strings-attached match. Of course it's fun to win, but the majority of the fun just lies in actually playing. Winning 4v3's or losing 3v4's is however *not* fun, and it gets under our skin when it happens for half an hour straight - it takes the "quick casual match" out of what RA used to be. That's why some of us want an alternate RA without titles or something.

I go to TA sometimes, but more often than not I just don't have the time nor desire (nor enough enough skills unlocked) to organize a team. I wish I could just go to RA, enter match, play a few 4v4's, and leave. The occasional leaver doesn't bug me, but the sheer amount of leavers currently just makes it a time sink. I got a glad point yesterday because 7 of my opposing teams had a leaver. It's just dumb.

DreamWind · Jul 14, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by murtagh deadmoon

Your saying leavers are a minority, that they are the smarter ones. The fact that they are the minority means simply that we, the people not leaving, are the majority and therefore your outvoted and the arenas need to be changed. You don't want to see them changed on a small amount of evidence, i'm fine with that, we'll let a few A-net people go in there for a day and witness the constant leaving, that should give them enough evidence hm?

I'm all for Anet going in and realizing there is not a big problem. This issue is still grossly overstated by a few individuals who want to cause noise over nearly nothing.

As for the minority majority statement, well look at the amount of people in RA. A LOT. It is probably the most popular form of PvP. And only a fraction of them are sitting here complaining. They all continue playing. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by glountz

Dreamwind and Sheendaar and all leavers will come to this defend their right to leave (i.e. to be lazy antisocial jackassess) and destroys other's fun.

Again with the name calling. Notice how nearly all of the name calling is coming from people who want bans in RA? Coincidence? Nevertheless, you say leavers are destroying your fun, well guess what? Bad players on bad teams ruin my fun. I don't see your point.

OK NOW ONCE AND FOR ALL I AM TIRED OF THE RIDICULOUSLY BAD TA ARGUMENT. It has been shut down so many times and I am sick of repeating all the reasons why it is a crap argument. If you are complaing about leavers, YOU GO TO TA!! Nobody on your team will leave there which is exactly what you want!! Stop this crap about RA...RA is fine how it is and still nobody has proven this complaint is worth a damn. Show me hard evidence and get back to me...at this point I am betting that I am more experienced in RA than 90% of the posters here and I see HARDLY ANY EVIDENCE OF A MAJOR PROBLEM. A leaver once in a while?? SURE!! A major major problem?? NO!!

Now for everybody still complaining, go read Relambrien's epic post on the subject that explains the entire thing in perfect detail and just get on with your lives. People play the game different ways and for different reasons. This issue is nothing in the big picture (or even the small picture), and is not even on the radar for Anet (nor should it be).

MrFuzzles · Jul 14, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

OK NOW ONCE AND FOR ALL I AM TIRED OF THE RIDICULOUSLY BAD TA ARGUMENT. It has been shut down so many times and I am sick of repeating all the reasons why it is a crap argument. If you are complaing about leavers, YOU GO TO TA!! Nobody on your team will leave there which is exactly what you want!! Stop this crap about RA...RA is fine how it is

But by that logic, bad players get leavers because good players don't want to play with them in RA, so bad players should go to TA. Isn't that kinda.. reversed? Wouldn't it make more sense that experienced players went to TA to form teams with other experienced players? Like I said in the other thread; if RA isn't the place to go to for casual pvp, I don't know what is. I certainly won't get a team in TA as a completely new player with 30 unlocked skills.

I don't agree that "RA is fine because some of us think it is". This would imply that there currently is no issue with lag because only a select few are vocal of it. I know plenty of people who have given up on gw's "casual pvp" because of the grindfest it has turned into. They just don't bother signing up to a forum and complaining about it. The fact that gw has no official forums doesn't help.

Hey, it's not the end of the world. No reason to get worked up over it. I'm not 'threatening' to rage uninstall or anything. I still play and enjoy RA every day.
I'm just saying RA would be heaps more fun (and WAS more fun in the past) if you actually got to play 4v4's in it more often than not, instead of spending half the matches getting free wins or unfair odds.